daniel wrote:Enki is "the Satan," according to Christianity.
Whose Christianity? If you're talking about the socio-political organizations that uses organized religion to control people - then sure, lets go religion-bashing - but if you're talking about the real stuff (not the perverted stuff), then I'm not sure I'm on the same page. How are the two (enki and satan) related according to christianity?
daniel wrote:"Satan" is a title, not a person, that means "Accuser." Enki is the accuser of Enlil.
If I'm not mistaken the Hebrew letters for "satan" actually means the "devourer of life". I've only ever found research of the languages Sanskrit and Hebrew to have natural effects on material objects like crystallization patterns, so I'm pretty sure that the "meaning" in language and the "meaning" in construction would be different (and interesting) topics of conversation. The context its used in and how its used as a title is for sure as Accuser, but that is only one of many, many aspects that's talked about. If one aspect is going to be used to create an impression of who's who, then let's rather use all aspects.
daniel wrote:The list went on with quite a collection, with the grand totals of "which entity is more destructive to mankind" being something like: God: 450 points, Devil: 0 points.
if you ever find the source for this, please let me know. I love reading up on stuff like this. Bear in mind, I might not agree with it, especially the sentiment, because its stereotyped on misunderstandings already, but I myself have discussions with other christians on provoking topics based purely on biblical "records". I also find it amusing, but my friends find it disturbing. Its a good conversation starter though, especially if you want some christians to think about things a bit for themselves. But be careful, these things are usually so biased on one extreme that it just does the same thing as the other extreme.
On a more serious note:
As I've said before, too many people talk about things they don't really know about. For instance, why would a seemingly peaceful person suddenly become a frantic fearful creature that "magically" flies up the wall with their back to it (with no physical thing holding them up there) just because you walked into the room? And they tell you things in scruffy voices like "Don't get near me! I'll kill you!" or "I know who you are! You can't make me leave!". I didn't make that person fly up the wall and go bonkers and do all that stuff. Why are they afraid of me, threatening me, and acting all dramatic? An interesting thing when this happens, is that they will NEVER look you in the eyes. Their eyes will even move unnaturally (independently) away when you get in their face to try and look into their eyes.
A person can tell me all this stuff about "demons have better things to do" or "christianity says this or that" all they like. They don't know what they're talking about. Sorry. To me, all I hear is that the guy telling me this is responding in light of some perverted propaganda by some fake religious leader, rejecting THAT guy's propaganda - and whatever he/she/they did or said and the reason for it has nothing to do with me, and has nothing to do with the reality of these things. If another person "chooses" (just like belief works, ironically) to think otherwise about these things, fine by me. We all have different tasks and NEED to exclude certain things by definition in order to focus on what value we bring to the human race. We're all different, as its supposed to be.
soldierhugsmember wrote:Yes, if you dedicate your life to God/Source/the Creator and be a channel for Source, they can't get to you.
The corollary there being that they can't "get you," because you've already been "gotten."
Both these sentiments have value. The first is that there's the real stuff and the fake stuff. The real stuff really does provide real protection inherently to some degree, but not fully no. The reason is that we all have vulnerabilities in our psyche and there will always be forms of attack coming for those holes. In christianity, closing up these holes is called "sanctification". Doing personal work, in other words. Getting oneself sorted out. When doing a study of the word "salvation" and the word "deliverance" from the bible, it came down to the same thing. Getting rid of all the stuff that holds us back from becoming literally consciously one with God (not just in theory or concept, but in experience and reality).
The second sentiment also has value because its so easy to "think" you are serving God or being a channel for Source and all that - but the truth is that this is so rare, its more the exception than the rule. Most of the time, people fall for clever deception from non-material entities due to the pride or desire for power in their own hearts (without even realizing it). Nevertheless, just because there's fakes, doesn't mean the real thing doesn't exist.
Lozion wrote:By extension and in regards to your Fondamental Christian past, I can attest that so-called "Men of God", pastors of the various Evangelical cults (which are everywhere here) are also using these same energy currents to further their agenda's
At last, someone that looks at some facts instead of just blanket-judging everything associated with christianity. Yes, you are 100% correct. And that is a HUGE problem especially with African pastors. They basically just do witchcraft (the kind thats used for the purpose to control other people) with a christian paint-job. Its SICK. We actually get tons of training in ministry in protocol on precisely how NOT to do stuff in an unethical way. Even basics like pray with the intention to control - which is nothing else than witchcraft prayer, no matter how christiany it is. What those pastors etc do though, is on a way more sickening level. Just ramping up the emotions and then do their thing - and there's so many of them doing this! If we had "christian police" those people would all be in jail right now for the havoc they're causing spiritually, the bondage they're putting people under. I am ashamed of them.
90% of the people that we see coming for healing with deep hurt and even have manifesting demons in extreme cases are those that got it through 'christian' events or people like those you mention. Heck, I AVOID church due to the amount of spiritual control and spiritual damage that are done to people in almost all of them (there are rare ones where this isn't the case though). But just because you get the perverted stuff, doesn't mean the real stuff doesn't exist. And the real stuff is super awesome. No dogma, no agenda, no propaganda, no control. You might not believe the real good thing exists, but it does.[/quote]
Lozion wrote:As I stepped out to go to the corner store after posting my last comment, my attention was attracted by the noise coming out of a neighbors house: Prayers, chanting, glossolalia, yep "exorcism" in process... Pfff...
In the real deliverance and healing ministry, its more quiet than people sleeping at night. Its only in 0.01% of cases where there's ANY noise, and even rarer for real demonic manifestation taking place. Unfortunately people in ministries think drama means effectiveness. Gives the real thing a bad rep. Grrrr. In fact, its preferred to whisper in the person's ear and keep things private. We usually work with whole groups of people. We also never pray "for" a person, but we offer guidance in how they could go about it themselves, if they would like to. We never judge, coerce, force, or dramatize anything. That will cause even more damage, that will not bring healing or freedom. That will establish the existing ones even more.